stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
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 22:54:12

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>So it appears that you would agree at least that theta training is a
>productive altered state. Do you see it associated with OOBE's and EVR
>like states?


Bill, hello!

Theta does appear to be associated with OOBE and EVR experiences. Here's
the model I find most useful: Theta in the occipital and parietal regions
reduces or eliminates processing of information from the outside world
through the senses. These processes no longer fill the stage of waking
consiousness with material originating from the (conventional) sense organs
(vision, audition, and proprioception). Attention shifts toward internal
experience. Memory and imaginal processes become more salient as "noise"
from external stimuli is reduced. Also, the signal line begins to emerge
more reliably. You can think of it as a kind of internal ganzfield.

>Finally, ADD people many times suffer spontaneous little
>trance like states. These are not petit mal,, not seizures, but their
>attention is totally captured by something in the environment or a
>thought. Is this the presence of the Theta state? And Are ADD's more
>psychic when in this state?

This is probably caused by theta activity in the prefrontal area, which is
the executive center for attention control. There is some research with
aircraft pilots demonstrating this, and also some work with inattentiveness
in long-distance drivers. My own work with ADD clients suggests that theta
in ADD is associated more with inefficiency than anything else. Notice
that we are talking again about theta in two different regions of the
brain. Theta means the same thing: the brain region is inactive. But the
effect on consciousness is different because the brain centers involved
have different functions.

Best regards,
Michael


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Rving the future 
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 22:54:36

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Thank you MaryD

Your comments about internal movements are very helpful to me.
I am aware that I also use 'mind switches' -- If I switch my eyes
up-left, up-right, left, or right, down-left, down-right -- I can access
different parts of the energy/information grid. But I am not able to
work out/observe how I do it, because it happens when I am aware but yet
in an altered state, so whem I try to observe what I'm doing, I knock me
out of the state...

I see images or symbols in the aura sometimes, and sometime I cannot
access them no matter how hard I try. It's very frustrating...

Joyce


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
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 22:54:45

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>Bill: Michael can you give a reference to learning that technique. I
>would like to experiemnt with it?

Bill,

The technique is called the Patton(tm) protocol. Here is a citation for
some of the research. There is additional unpublished research that has
been presented at recent neurofeedback conferences.

Patton, R. Optimizing Athletic Skils with EEG Training (1996). Journal of
Interdisciplinary Research in Physical Education, 1996, 1(2), 39-56.

Best Regards,
Michael


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
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 22:54:58

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At 03:18 PM 8/2/98 -0700, (BILL) wrote:
Hi Michael,
So it appears that you would agree at least that theta training is a
productive altered state. Do you see it associated with OOBE's and EVR
like states?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

my 2 cents.
.. . . . . of course theta is a "productive'"altered state.
(ERV)
( give me a break etc)
When I view a high energy target I go to theta to "know"....
Read that. To ..... "KNOW".
You (I) will find everything, or all data in theta...
BUT you must master the delicate balance... :-) (delta-theta)
to recall. Period. ..................

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Finally, ADD people many times suffer
spontaneous little
trance like states. These are not petit mal,, not seizures, but their
attention is totally captured by something in the environment >>>>>>>


...........OBEs?.... (try beta-delta)... go WITHIN not without.....
dont force it dont fight it.................. ( you get a headache.)

blah blah blahs...... etc. etc.

At 03:18 PM 8/2/98 -0700, you wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Bill, hello!

Theta does appear to be associated with OOBE and EVR experiences. Here's
the model I find most useful: Theta in the occipital and parietal regions
reduces or eliminates processing of information from the outside world
through the senses.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

...... OBE huh? ERV yes..... (just do it)


<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>

............Of course left brain (bypass) (occupy) (nullify).
right brain (knowns)etc.....

>>>>>> Attention shifts toward internal
experience.>>>>>>>>>>

.......Yes go within........... get simple. (basic)

>>>>>>> Memory and imaginal processes become more salient as "noise"
from external stimuli is reduced. Also, the signal line begins to emerge
more reliably. You can think of it as a kind of internal ganzfield.>>>>

.......agreed, now go get some ERV training, then go figure... :-)
(gosh you guys are smart)

my 2 cents ... big smiles..... ~T~



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Quote in your book 
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 22:55:07

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Lyn Hello. :)

I'll have'ta get a copy in my hands to see if it includes your classic 'time
quote' bug on pond water.. Probably does. ;)

Book ISBN is 0=425-16509-4 The Psychic Paradigm

:) Again, thanks Lyn, and all who contributed their thoughts on 'time' past
and present.
Bevy J
U.S. Psi Squad:


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 squeezeing stage4! 
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 22:55:22

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Hi Darryl and all;
Liam here.

> Hi again, nice to see all the chat on "Future" starting to fade a
>little...

I'll second that. I was actually going to write sometime similar last
night, but I knew you would be writing today about it.
>
> I personally love the stage 4 matrix, I really like that by this stage you
>have a good repartoir with the target and that stage 4 allows you freedom
of
>the target but..One of the questions I'd like to hear from the ex-military
>guy's is if they have any tips for sqeezing a little more data from the
>stage 4 matrix.
>
Once again, I agree with you Darryl. Stage 4 is where everything starts
coming together. Really neat. It is where you can really see the Magic at
work.The secret to get the most out of stage 4, IMO, is the same as for the
rest of CRV and ERV. PRACTICE!!! At the project we worked sites
constantly. If there weren't any Operational sites , we worked practice
sites. The more you work, the better you get. At the risk of taking some
FLAK, let me add that even when you get good at Stage 4, you need to keep
working sites. A small break will not hurt you, it may even help. But it has
been my experience, that if you try to work CRV only every now and then, you
stage 4s go to S##T. Because of my teaching and monitoring and my real job,
I do not get to work many practice sites. Most of the sites I work are
operational. So I am not getting a lot of practice. I find that I am
getting less specific information then I would if I was working on a regular
basis. In addition, the last operational site I worked the information did
not come in any connected manner. I was just picking up a bunch of data,
that may or may not have been related. When stage 4 is going good it goes
something like this
Structure
large
multi-storied
natural materials
scientific feeling
research
electronics
military use
secret
hidden
facade
false front
etc, etc

When I do not work on a regular basis the data just comes in helter skelter.
Last operational site I worked, I got so frustrated, that I re-worked the
site ERV.

Thanks for the question. I am sure there are those out there who will
disagree. I based my answer on my personal experience and from watching my
students.
slainte
thanks for changing the subject
May the Force be with you
Liam



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Future Yaana 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/707)

 22:55:31

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Dear Electrix and Yaana,

Ladies ( I assume that Electrix is a female), please! we need you both.
No use getting all heated up over free will, unless one of you was
burned at the stake in a past life over this issue. It will be around
for a long time to come. Anybody that still wants to fight can always
email Gene K.

Best to you both,

Bill


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/708)

 22:55:39

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Hello Michael,

You seem to have to very interesting information at your disposal. I
always wanted to quiz a psi-Psych. PhD. Just one more question for now.
So what is the best training methods you have found for inducing theta
in the occipital and parietal areas and inducing OOBE and EVR like
states. Or if that is not possible, what is the best training to block
out what the RVers call AOL (or analytically scrambling the psi signal
with intellectual "overlays"). That is my own ( and many others)
downfall in this area.

Best Regards,

Bill



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Moderated RV listserve 
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 22:55:50

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Please subscribe Catalyst@...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Rving the future 
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 22:55:59

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Joyce: Thanks Bill. The symbols in the aura and healing are very
interesting to me too. I am a retired intensive care nurse and ...
Well I am preparing to go out of town, and away from internet, for 2 to
4 weeks.
Wo will get back to you when I return.
I like your 'Warm Regards'!

Warm Regards,
Joyce


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 Moderated rv listserv 
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 22:56:14

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(Snip)
> I will moderate an RV list like PJ's if enough people want me to.(snip)

Dear Jerry,
What kind of list are you thinking of opening up? How will it be
different than P.J.'s current list? Are you dissatisfied with the
Stargate list? Just curious...

Jane


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/712)

 22:56:26

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Teri wrote:
my 2 cents ... big smiles..... ~T~

Hey one of your smiles is worth a Million bucks, but I must ask if you
actually measured your brain wavelenths going into ERV or it just feels
like theta-beta. Also saying "go within" may mean alot to you who goes
OOBE just for lunch, but to me, its a bible quote and carries little
information. So could you expound a little on what you actually FEEL
when you go within and find this delicate balance between theta and
delta, beautiful. And be gentle. I'm sensitive.

Warm Regards,

Bill




stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Apology to Electrix 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/713)

 22:56:42

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Hold it, my apologies, Electrix notified me HE was a male.

I'm very sorry. As you see my mind reading is pathetic.

Bill


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 Moderated RV listserve 
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 22:57:08

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Hi Folks,

OK, I'm biting the bullet now (crunch,crunch).

I got quite a bit of benefit from PJ's listserve. I admired her moderators
style and felt that we were spared a load of "junk", because she kept a
close eye on postings.

I will moderate an RV list like PJ's if enough people want me to. In other
words, each posting will be reviewed, edited if appropriate, or bounced if
off-topic. Yes, it's a ton of work, but I prefer that format, as I assume
most of you do.

Please send me an email - jmpople@... - if you want me to start this.
I will put you on the mailing list and we can begin.

Jerry


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Rving the future 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/715)

 22:57:17

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>I see images or symbols in the aura sometimes, and sometime I cannot
>access them no matter how hard I try. It's very frustrating...
>
>Joyce
>

Bill: Hi Joyce, the symbols in the aura are very interesting to me
since I took Rob Abbotts class on Energy Healing ( the most interesting
class I ever took). He taught us to feel disease states in the aura by
touch. I wonder if the symbols you see could be related. With your
permission I will forward your comments to Rob and post his reply.

Best Regards,

Bill


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Moderated RV listserve 
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 22:57:30

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>I got quite a bit of benefit from PJ's listserve. I admired her moderators
>style and felt that we were spared a load of "junk", because she kept a
>close eye on postings.

Jerome,

I can ASSURE you I do closely monitor this BBS! And as for the recent
argument on the list, I contacted those individuals privately. I may
be low-key, but I assure you I monitor and read ALL emails to the Star
Gate list.

If there is any "junk" in particular you're referring to, let me know what it
is. I have received no complaints. If people have a problem with the
Star Gate list, please contact me privately about it. If people have
a problem with a person on this list, again, contact me privately.

Also, I originally proposed we'd eventually split this Star Gate list into
two lists. Perhaps it is time to review that again. If people would like
a moderated RV list, just shout and we can go and create it. Last
time I proposed this people said nay. Any takers this time?

Best regards,
Steve.


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Moderated RV listserve 
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 22:57:43

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<<
If there is any "junk" in particular you're referring to, let me know what it
is. I have received no complaints. If people have a problem with the
Star Gate list, please contact me privately about it. If people have
a problem with a person on this list, again, contact me privately.
>>
I am sticking with Steve...thanks anyhow...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Apology to Electrix 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/718)

 22:57:52

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<< I'm very sorry. As you see my mind reading is pathetic.

Bill >>>>>>>>

. . . . Giggles giggles giggles all over the place. (SORRY)
I was waiting for this post. No Bill, your mind reading is not pathetic,
just try sensing the beings energies sometimes instead of minds.
Electrix radiates some very fine masculine energy, alert, introspective,
intelligent, gentle. There have been a few times when Electrix has
talked to me I have sensed the wee boy come out full of curiosity,
playful, fresh. I also sense that he is, or will be a great RVer, ERV of
course. :-)
~T~


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Energy 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/719)

 22:58:04

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>just try sensing the beings energies sometimes instead of minds........
>~T~

Damn Teri, there you go again. What in Taurtauras is reading a persons
"energy". I can feel the energy in an aura. But this seems entirely
different. You have to talk slow and careful to us Big Heads
Irresistable!

Bill



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Energy 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/720)

 22:58:20

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Damn Teri, there you go again. What in Taurtauras is reading a persons
"energy". I can feel the energy in an aura. But this seems entirely
different. >>

. . . . Well, now ya have me hysterics.. thanks I needed that..
Love to feel your energy when you get all riled up.
I didn't say read a persons energy, I said 'sense'. Just close your
eyes, push that big old analytical left brain away, tell it to hush, just
sense, feel, know. Forget trying to 'read' and figure figure figure.
You are trying to sense non physical energy, use your non physical
self-essence to do this, it the only way it gonna work. You are not to going
figure out non physical phenomena via physical physics..
Bill you can feel my energy flow across this keyboard and come
out thru these written words cant you?
What do you sense when I write you...
Angel, come and feel the gentle graceful ebb and flow of energy as I...
etc. etc.
And now feel when I write,
Bill you nasty discussing old so and so, get the h-e double toothpicks
out of my space and time... etc etc.

big smile ~T~



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/721)

 22:58:33

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<< Hey one of your smiles is worth a Million bucks,

. . . . I'll take that in large bills if you dont mind... :-)

<>

. . . . sigh... I have enough trouble measuring my height and width :-)
let alone my brain or the lengths it will go to... No my brain is untested
territory. Also really I couldn't care less about tests and testing, I just do
it
and every time I hit a target I am amazed, thats proof enough for me, and
'me' is all I want to please. . . . .

<>

. . . . I have spent hundreds of hours listening to hemi-sync tapes,
and I feel I have a pretty good grasp or 'known' as to what state I'm in . . .

<< Also saying "go within" may mean alot to you who goes
OOBE just for lunch,>>

. . . . I cant just sit or lay down and experience an OOB, I had the
experience many many times when I was young, now they are few
and far between. . . .


<< but to me, its a bible quote and carries little
information. So could you expound a little on what you actually FEEL
when you go within>>

. . . .It has been my experience now (not when I was young)
that to have or do the OOB I go within. I have had this experience a
few times with recollection, I am in an altered state, alpha maybe delta,
and when you are in an altered state you are 'within' a space that feels
unlimited open free huge, and I have found 'myself'? doing 3, 90 degree
turns to the right and next thing I realize I am out of body.. (I seem to
roll and unlock) I find myself in our outer space, with pristine clarity.
Other times I have experienced being
compacted? (feels like I fall in further and further) 3 times, 'within' and
then
I realize I am out, or out of body. Some other times I have been hit by what
I call 'shifts', these shifts are jarring enough, hard enough, you feel like
you
have been hit by a linebacker. Altered states, go within and get out.
I cant sit up in my 'astral'? body, out up or thru my physical body, I cant
become a white wisp and ooze out of a hole in the top of my head.
My attempts in the past, at leaving my body thru my head, flow out,
push out, break out, leave me with read eyes and a migraine. yuck.
Something's not working here for me. On the other hand I really dont care
too much about having the OOBE anymore, since learning the magics of
RV, I just shift my view point or my point of view to what I want to see.


<>

... I find when I move myself somewhere between delta theta and
remain aware, tricky, I seem to just know, or get 'knows' of a site this way.

Warmies ~T~


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/722)

 22:58:57

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On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:37:51 EDT, AquaSerene@... wrote:

>....Other times I have experienced being
>compacted? (feels like I fall in further and further) 3 times, 'within'
>and then I realize I am out, or out of body.

Almost like you're becoming smaller and more dense...sort of like folding in
on yourself? I'll have to pay attention to the number of times ...hehe..it's
sort of like you're being oragami'd. Thanks for writing that
Terri...everyone I ever told about that particular feeling looked at me like
I was nuts or something ;-)


Siochain,
Vikki



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Moderated RV listserve 
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 22:59:18

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I enjoy the list as it is now. Any group discussion will get out of hand
now and then but I think we can tolerate a little delay via e-mail
communication since we are not within earshot of a gavel or whistle.

If people stick with the headers, those not interested inthe topic can
ignore it. (wish I could...after a day or two I just gotta go see what
the fuss is about  )


Rich


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Moderated RV listserve 
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 22:59:27

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<< I enjoy the list as it is now. Any group discussion will get out of hand
now and then >>


. . . . . ditto.

~Terri~


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
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 22:59:35

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yes Jerry. I think this might be a good idea.
Bevy J


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Moderated RV listserve 
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 23:00:03

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Steve:
In my opinion, you are doing a wonderful job with the Stargate Postings.
There is a fine distinction between just running letters and overseeing 'rules
of order'.
If someone wants to do another list, as JP suggested, it is also a good idea,
as perhaps new people will be drawn in to the other lists, then they can add
to Stargate, which can't be all bad.. :)
I don't think you should split the list, no, as in the past some thought that
the VWR list was elitist and the PSI list was too new to be categorized at
all. :)
I do think that we need a constant supply of new 'readers' and 'posters' as
we seem to have a fine crop of lurkers whichever way we go. It's like going
to church...you have to put something in the bucket now and then... right? :)
When I am working on a new book I may not be able to show up regularly, and I
am in crunch time on the inkwells/antique fountain pens book right now with
another yelling at me from the wings... :) But most of us seem to try hard to
follow up everything as best we can.
So, don't change anything just yet.
Bevy J


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/727)

 23:00:11

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hi steve

now that the UT site is down mybe u can make a target section in your
site....

just an idea

Eyal



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
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 23:00:20

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<< now that the UT site is down mybe u can make a target section in your
site....

just an idea >>


. . . . perhaps Gene can put up another target for us to view ? :-)
----


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Forw. from Rob Abbott to Joyce 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/729)

 23:00:32

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Rob's reply to Joyce comment about cryptic symbols in auras.

Hi Bill,

No I haven't posted on Stargate list yet. I haven't signed up
for it
yet. Good job on the pain removal. Keep working on the hand,
after a
few treatments it will start a rapid form of healing. Insert
the normal
program into the energy and it will stimulate the healing
process. Good
job my friend. Without a program the blue takes the pain away
fairly
rapidly.

Hey, wanted to ask you about the possibility of whether you
would know
someone at Swedich Hospital who is controlling the Herceptin
lottery
program. I have a patient who is in great need of it. Her
cancer is
compatible with it. I am looking for a string to pull somewhere
for
her. I am even willing to help put money into the treatment for
her.

If you could help in this regard, by helping me with a name or
something
that might help her get into the trial, I would sure appreciate
whatever
any help you can provide me.

Thanks,

Rob

Yeah... great job.


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/730)

 23:00:42

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>My one OOBE was exactly like that, I thought I was being compacted,
>shaken, electrocuted , and crammed into my head...literally!

Hi Bill....when it happens to me it's not a violent thing, it's
very gentle sort of like how flower petals unfurl..only in reverse.
...it's rather pleasant actually....I feel really tiny. Almost like if
you were becoming a rock or something. That heavy dense feeling is
present.

When I was a little girl I would have a reoccurring dream of something
like railroad ties (that's the only object I can equate it to)...small
at first, but moving towards me fast and getting larger as they moved
closer. That was kind of a panicy feeling...like being overwhelmed.
I don't know if other folks have had a similar thing happen to them
or not...or really what that was all about.

I've had the operating room hover thing happen ...that was cool. It
happened when they used ether as the anesthetic. I don't know if that
was the cause or not, but it's never happened with any surgeries since.
Who knows? The experience itself wasn't scary and I watched the doctors
from a point above...sort of a detached feeling...just watching and sort
of curious. That's about all I remember...except for waking up in the
recovery room with the taste of the ether in my mouth..very yuck! ;-)

Siochain,
Vikki



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
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 23:00:55

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Hello Vikki,

My one OOBE was exactly like that, I thought I was being compacted,
shaken, electrocuted , and crammed into my head...literally!

I would bet many people have that sort of start.

Bill


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There are 3 targets a week published on the HVG site. Anyone sending in a
summary
or faxing their work to the Target committee before the target is revealed can
be
published for a hit. All remote viewers are welcome, these targets are not just
for our students.

Aloha Yaana


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>hi steve

Hi eyal!

>now that the UT site is down mybe u can make a target section in your
>site....
>
>just an idea I like the idea - thanks, eyal! I've been getting a few mails
asking for
this kind of thing lately. I am seriously thinking about setting up a
full-blown
experiment or series of experiments, similar to what the UT skeptics did
on their site, only.. with a different approach, different aims.

I don't want to "spill the beans" just yet,
but if plans work out.. not only will there be a target section for those
who
want to try out their skills, but on top of that, they'll also be a section
for
those people who like to get down-and-dirty with the data.. :)

So, you may just get your wish, Eyal! It's nice to know that there are
folks
out there interested in doing this sort of thing, though. I'll tell more
once
I have some more definite plans. Stay tuned!

Cheers,
Steve.


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Hi Vikky,

Thanks for sharing your OOBE. I never tire of hearing about them,and
hope to have some more extended ones someday. Let me know if you find
the secret key. The ether thing was possibly becasue it slowed yourheart
down. Actually I here their quite common when Ketamine is used as
anesthetic, but I keep trying to have one natural. Please keep in touch
if you have any more.

Warm Regards,

Bill


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Ugh! Sorry about the mess in my last post everyone.. looks like
my mail program decided to make a mess of things. Hope y'all
could work out what I was trying to say! :)

Rgds,
Steve.



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yanna thanks but when i qas at your site i got the impression its for
students only...

Eyal



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. . . . perhaps Gene can put up another target for us to view ? :-) >>


OK...if that is the way you want to play...
This will be another dimensional target...have fun....

00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098

Provide the "Stargate" site with a list of the impressions as they
occur...regardless of how long the list might be...Do not label or name
anything you put on the list...DOOOOO call out any AOL's / Aw Gee; (Aethetic
Impacts)...Wow's (Emotional Impacts) by noting whay you are feeling that
causes these "AI's or EI's"...Make the list as soon as possible after the
session (minutes if possible)...and make free sketches if you feel images
coming to mind...let the pencil do the walking not your conscious brain...You
need to also put down a nice narrative paragraph of your impressions...again
do not name the objects or impressions or images...and do not label them....DO
NOT GO BACK to the site when you return....If enough folks come back with nice
answers, I may (MAY!!!) give you a second set of coordinates so you can go
back for a second trip...
Ghengis Gene...the Monitor from Hell...

OK...the gauntlet has been picked up...


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Well we will have to post another notice, we welcome all viewers :)
The only targets eledigble for publication are those submitted before then
target is released, but there are many good targets available.
Aloha Yaana

eyal wrote:

> yanna thanks but when i qas at your site i got the impression its for
> students only...
>
> Eyal


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The only targets eledigble for publication are those submitted before then
target is released, but there are many good targets available.
Aloha Yaana >>

Wow what a statement.....you make it sound like there is this big long secret
list of targets somewhere that are "approved" or "good" and perhaps a similar
list that are not "approved" and therefore not "good". Balderdash ..
anything ANYTHING can be a target...You could target the Empire State Building
or the pen sitting next to my lap top as I write this note...a target is just
that a target...Do you think that I, (as a teacher and monitor) spend days or
even hours researching and confirming targets...do you think I have great
files on these or little opaque envelopes sealed and stashed somewhere so that
"energies" can't get to them...double balderdash...I never write down a target
and most definitely never put a picture of a target inside stupid little
envelopes....If I did that, I would be asking the Viewer to target the
envelope and the picture inside...and that is not the target...People who feel
the need to use these type of props simply do not understand or accept the
magic of Remote Viewing...Sorrry for the rant...but Eyal is trying to
understand this thing we call RV and he is getting lots of bad advice...just
thought I would add to his confusion with some advice from teacher..."those
who cannot...teach"...
Gene...


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>envelopes....If I did that, I would be asking the Viewer to target the
>envelope and the picture inside...and that is not the target...People
who feel
>the need to use these type of props simply do not understand or accept
the
>magic of Remote Viewing....


Good Point Gene.

Do you remember the target I gave you of Lincoln? I had nothing written
down... no damned little envelopes and you nailed it flat out.
For me... when I see those tasking number.. it is like feeling the
combination numbers on a safe clicking into place.. and I just zoom in.
I don't need a picture in an envelope.

I suppose that could be useful if you were tasking blindly and needed to
be able to confirm what the target was that you gave.. but a few written
words of what it was would work as well. (that is provided that the VWR
is not viewing feedback .. but the is an entirely new argument to get
into.. hehehehe)

~Sarah


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>files on these or little opaque envelopes sealed and stashed somewhere
so that
>"energies" can't get to them.......


I heard that they were in a water proof case dropped into a secret Lock
in Ireland. All sealed with drops of blood from virgin greeneyed Celtic
Maidens. ....




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Aloha,
I think most would agree that a target is just what it says, A TARGET. I
would add that in the interest of housekeeping, Honesty, Validation, Chain
of Custody and organization that refference data in the form of a target
package is a foundation of an anlytical method. Any first year analyst
would throw up his hands at such a willy nilly effort to teach that did not
include the administrative support.

Aloha Glenn



At 09:04 AM 8/5/98 PDT, you wrote:
>
>do you think I have great
>>files on these or little opaque envelopes sealed and stashed somewhere
>so that
>>"energies" can't get to them...double balderdash...


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> thought I would add to his confusion with some advice from teacher..."those
> who cannot...teach"...
> Gene...

hummmmm... hope you having a better day today :)
By good target I meant a target with interesting but validatable aspects, that
is
a personal opinion not a professional pronouncement, I will leave those to the
people with many years of experience. Two qualities I find useful as a student
building confidence in my work, are interesting targets, and the ability to
checked to see if my data is congruent with the target. Not everyone has a
monitor
or instructor close at hand, to provide targets or feed back on a regular basis.

My invitation to visit HRVG's site and shoot the targets, was not intended as a
judgment or a competition, just information for anyone looking for a target
list,
which was what started this thread. If Steve puts up a target section, or if
you
post targets, the more the merrier, I know people who shoot several targets a
week
and are always looking for a new source . The reference to eligibility, is only
referring to chain of custody on un-released targets for those who might wish
to
have their work published on the HRVG site.

I agree with you, anything can be a target. Each RV group has a different system
for choosing, cueing and handling targets, more than likely just an arbitrary
administrative system created for orderliness, until we evolve to your level
where
such crutches are no longer needed. I reread my post and Im not quite sure what
set you off, I hope this clarification is of help, if not you might try getting
back into bed and get out on the other side, or your whole day could be
unnecessearly upsetting :)

Aloha Yaana


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Analog Science Fiction & Fact Magazine
"The Alternate View" columns of John G. Cramer






Dear Electrix,

You asked for some books on the multiple worlds model of quantum
mechanics. I went to a real physicists ( Dr. John Cramer at the univ. of
washington) and lifted this discussion from his web site. This is a
little old but quite accurate I believe. I also think you would enjoy
reading other posts on Johns website. He writes an article on borderland
physics for the magazine Analogue and posts it on his website. These are
all in straight English without math ( for the most part) and fun to
read. They include this article and many on faster than light
possiblities et. His site (for the analogue articles)is:
http://www.npl.washington.edu/AV/av_index_sub.html

Yours Truly,
Bill


Other Universes II

by John G. Cramer

Alternate View Column AV-03
Keywords: alternate, universes, quantum, Everett-Wheeler,
many-worlds, interpretation
Published in the November-1984 issue of Analog Science Fiction
& Fact Magazine;
This column was written and submitted 4/6/84 and is copyrighted ©
1984, John G. Cramer. All rights reserved.
No part may be reproduced in any form without the explicit
permission of the author.

This page now has an access count of:

In the fullness of Creation, do other universes exist? Are there
alternate worlds where history is not the same? Where
in 1912 the RMS Titanic sailed into New York harbor intact? Where the
American Revolution was lost to Spanish
colonies? Where the Renaissance never occurred, and the Middle Ages have
never ended? Where Christ and
Mohammed were never born, and the Roman Empire never fell? Where there
was no large asteroid impact(s) to kill the
dinosaurs and end the Cretaceous, and evolved dinosaur descendants are
Earth's dominant life form?

My previous Alternate View column (ANALOG 9/84) described the widely
accepted "inflationary scenario" of modern
cosmology in which our Universe is just one among very many "bubble
universes", all popping out of the general
medium of the Big Bang like bubbles forming in a glass of beer.
Somewhere perhaps there are many universes more or
less like ours, some very similar to and others radically different from
the universe we call "home".

This time we examine quite a different basis for the possible existence
of alternate universes: The Everett-Wheeler
interpretation of quantum mechanics. This rival of the orthodox
"Copenhagen" interpretation of the mathematics of
quantum mechanics is the work of the well known theoretical physicist
Professor John A. Wheeler and his PhD
student Hugh Everett, III, both of whom were at Princeton University
when the work was done. Their theory also
goes under the name of the "many-worlds" interpretation. To understand
the basis for this work we shall look at some
of the curious and perverse features of the mathematics of quantum
mechanics and the problem of its interpretation.

Quantum mechanics (QM) was invented in the early decades of this century
to explain a growing body of new
experimental facts which didn't fit with the older ideas of "the way
things work" which we now call "classical
mechanics". The new QM treated particles (like electrons) as if they
were waves and treated waves (like light) as if they
were particles. A group of physicists led by Bohr, Heisenberg,
Schroedinger and Dirac devised clever mathematical
ways of "getting the right answer" with quantum mechanics through a set
of mathematical procedures which are now
used and trusted by all physicists. The use of these procedures is clear
and unambiguous. But even now, five decades
after their invention, their meaning remains controversial. One often
hears that "mathematics is the language of
science". Quantum mechanics illustrates the point that this language may
lack a proper translation. Formulating a
mathematical theory is not the same as understanding its full meaning.
The meaning of the QM mathematics has
recently become a subject of intense activity and controversy among
physicists (including me), as it had been for
decades among philosophers of science.

In the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation, the QM mathematics describes
not physical events but rather the
knowledge of an observer who is watching these events. Equations about
mass, energy and momentum are
supposedly making predictions about things that happen in the observer's
mind! This, as one might expect, leads to
problems. The Everett-Wheeler approach is an unorthodox alternative
which seeks to avoid these problems. Let's
consider an example: A radioactive atom decays, spitting out a rapidly
moving electron. In the QM picture of this event
a wave corresponding to this electron spreads out from the parent atom
in all directions, moving out as an
ever-widening sphere, like a ring of ripples from a stone thrown into a
pond. The electron is equally present in all parts
of the wave. It is "buttered out" over the whole wave front. Finally
this wave reaches a second atom which is hit by the
electron. Immediately the electron wave undergoes a process called
"collapse". This collapse resembles the pricking
of a soap bubble, for the wave completely disappears from all of space
except the immediate vicinity of the struck
atom. There the electron suddenly pops into existence, reappearing as a
particle which has just hit the atom. The
electron in the form of an expanding wave has vanished.

What if this kind of behavior was also seen in the macroscopic world of
everyday experience? Imagine that you stand
at a dock on the Manhattan waterfront and toss a beer bottle into the
Hudson River. The ripples from the beer bottle
spread out across the Atlantic to Southampton, Le Harve, and Lisbon,
pass the Straights of Gibraltar and spread across
the Mediterranean. Suddenly at the waterfront at Nice a beer bottle
jumps out of the water to land on the pebble beach
in front of the Carlton Hotel. And simultaneously all the ripples which
have been spreading elsewhere around the
world abruptly disappear!! If such an event happened, the beer bottle in
the everyday world would be behaving the
way all electrons do in the microscopic world. This is what the QM
mathematics seems to be telling us. It seems a
very strange way to get from one place to another!! And it is only one
of many examples of the weirdness of quantum
behavior.

Most physicists regard this kind of microscopic behavior as normal and
refuse to worry about it. They associate
collapse with the "knowledge change" occurring when an observer learns
an electron's location. Since quantum
mechanics works, they use it without being unduly concerned about the
bizarre microscopic behavior suggested by the
equations. But a few have tried to look more deeply into what quantum
mechanics is trying to tell us about the reality
behind those useful equations. One such was Albert Einstein, who never
accepted quantum mechanics because he
found its interpretation unsatisfactory. Another is Hugh Everett III,
who found it "unreal that there should be a
'magic' process in which something quite drastic occurred (the collapse
of the wave), while at other times systems
were assumed to obey perfectly natural continuous laws." Everett did his
PhD dissertation at Princeton on the
problem of finding an alternative interpretation of quantum mechanics
which did not involve collapsing waves or
observer knowledge. The result was the Everett-Wheeler interpretation of
quantum mechanics mentioned above. It
embodies a simple but radical idea.

According to Everett's description of the electron event, the wave never
collapses. Instead, at every occasion where the
electron might strike one atom or another, the universe splits! We have
one universe where the electron hits atom A,
another where it hits atom B, and so on for all of its possible
outcomes. Similarly, if a light photon might be
transmitted or reflected, if a radioactive atom might decay or not, the
universe fragments and we get one new universe
for each and every possible outcome. The universe, then, is like a tree,
branching and re-branching into a myriad of
new sub-universes with each passing picosecond. And each of these new
Everett-Wheeler (E-W) universes has a
slightly different sub-atomic "history". Since our present consciousness
happens to have followed one particular path
through the diverse branches of this Universe-Tree, we never perceive
the splitting but instead interpret the resolution
of the myriad of possibilities into a particular outcome as an abrupt
"collapse".

Microscopic events, of course, lead to consequences on a larger scale.
Somewhere there should be E-W universes in
which every physically possible event that could occur has occurred!
There should be universes where Man never
evolved, where Carthage defeated Rome, where Hitler won, where your
present location is a smoking radioactive ruin
of World War III. Even as you read this sentence the universe should be
fragmenting into a number of branches too
large to count.

The Everett-Wheeler interpretation has not been received with
overwhelming enthusiasm by most physicists. It is
regarded as multiplying hypotheses beyond necessity, as William of Occam
put it. It is not widely accepted, but it is
much discussed. Many physicists consider it unlikely that nature would
behave in such a schizophrenic way. Many
find it harder to swallow the multi-universe idea than to accept the
collapse of the waves. But perhaps the most serious
criticism of the Everett-Wheeler interpretation is that its predictions
for the outcome of experiments do not differ from
those of the orthodox Copenhagen interpretation. Therefore it is an
untestable theory. Scientific theories are normally
worth considering only when experimental tests might prove them wrong.
Otherwise a theory is metaphysics,
philosophy or myth, but it is not subject to the scientific method and
therefore not science.

But let's lay aside these worries, assume that there really are
alternate Everett-Wheeler worlds somewhere, and ask
some questions:

Q: Could E-W universes be the same as "bubble universes"? No. The bubble
universes should have separated
themselves from the medium of the Big Bang in the first picosecond, and
thereafter should remain completely
unconnected (unless they happen to bump together). They can't be the
same as E-W universes.

Q: How might one manage to go from one E-W universe to another? I can
only speculate. QM allows physical
systems to "leak" from one state to another (example: the alpha-particle
decay of uranium-238), so perhaps one could
"leak" into an alternate universe, particularly one which was locally
very similar to ours. Or given a time machine (a big
"given") one might travel back in time to a split-point, then travel
forward along another E-W branch to an alternate
version of the present.

Q: E-W universes split only going from past to future; doesn't this time
asymmetry contradict an important
principle of microphysics? Yes it does. But the Everett-Wheeler
interpretation can be generalized to a more
time-symmetric form by including a "healing" of splits whenever two E-W
universes accidentally become completely
identical. This is a fascinating idea in its own right. It leads me to
assert the Historical Uncertainty Principle: All
versions of history which are physically possible and consistent with
the present state of our world are equally true
and have equally led to the present along various E-W branch universes
which healed together to make the present.
There is no "right" account of the recent or distant past; all
consistent versions are equally correct. (Just think of the
implications of that for historians and lawyers!!)

Q: But do you really believe any of this? The "bubble universes" I find
quite acceptable. But for me the
Everett-Wheeler interpretation lacks the "feel" of validity and itself
raises too many problems. To be fair though, I am
not really an unbiased critic because I have my own published unorthodox
interpretation of QM mathematics. But that I
will save for another AV column in some future universe.

REFERENCES:

H. Everett, III, Reviews of Modern Physics 29, 454 (1957).

J. A. Wheeler, Reviews of Modern Physics 29, 463 (1957).

B. S. DeWitt, Physics Today 23 #9, 30 (September, 1970),
and the comments in Physics Today 24 #4 and #11 (1971).

B. S. DeWitt and N. Graham, eds., The Many Worlds Interpretation of
Quantum Mechanics, Princeton University
Press, Princeton (1973).

M. Jammer, The Philosophy of Quantum Mechanics, pp.507-21,
Wiley-Interscience, New York (1974).


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thanks steve!!
if u could make that sessions that sent will be published and there will e
whole of fame for those that got close hit
that would be great
Eyal


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>OK...if that is the way you want to play...
>This will be another dimensional target...have fun....
>

what the auther mean when he say " dimensional target"

thanks Eyal




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>I heard that they were in a water proof case dropped into a secret Lock
>in Ireland. All sealed with drops of blood from virgin greeneyed Celtic
>Maidens. ....
>
>Hi Bill, Liam here
Just a small note of clarification. While all Celtic Maidens are virgins,
they are not necessarily green eyed. They are all obviously beautiful.
Just a small thing, but I thought I had better clarify so there were no
understandings.

slainte
May the force be with you
Liam


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>Just a small note of clarification. ..[remainder snipped]..


Hahahaha....go raibh maith agat, Liam ;-)

Siochain,
Vikki




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I posted this with the wrong heading.( target site) which must have been
confusing...so here it is again with a more appropriate heading
>
>Dear Electrix,
>
>You asked for some books on the multiple worlds model of quantum
>mechanics. I went to a real physicists ( Dr. John Cramer at the univ.


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>Just a small note of clarification. While all Celtic Maidens are
virgins,
>they are not necessarily green eyed. They are all obviously beautiful.
>Just a small thing, but I thought I had better clarify so there were no
>understandings.
>
>slainte
>May the force be with you
>Liam
I'm gonna get in trouble again...but you have tempted me beyond
retraint:

Of course I understand that all Celtic women are beautiful and virgins (
amazing how the population keeps growing despite this).BUT....I have it
on good authority that Gene only uses Green eyed ones for his
sacrificial rites AND....

I note that you are married to a beautiful Virgin American-Indian
Princess.....You had best not talk up Irish maidens to much.

nuff said:

Best Regards,

Bill



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>answers, I may (MAY!!!) give you a second set of coordinates so you can go
>back for a second trip...
>Ghengis Gene...the Monitor from Hell...
>
Session Content:
S1 - Natural, Structure, Water
clear, open, spacious, - AOL BK-Heavens, Galaxies - dark blue, violet,
indigo, white, spotted, dark luminance,purple, burgundy, deep, foggy (s4?),
blurry, misty, changing (S4?), motion, fluidic, gaseous, - AOL BK -gaseous
planet, AOL BK-Bimini Atol, white, grey, blowing, whooshing sounds, grey
blue, smooth, AOL BK -'something morphing into form/shape' , steel grey,
navy grey, porous, airy, spacious, whirling, looping, repeating,
undulating, swirling, spinning, AOL BK - tornado, AI BK - 'I feel dizzy'
'I feel involved', AOL BK - Violent natural event (NAG) AOL BK Castle
Building Suspect (CBS), thin, permeable, gaseous, AOL BK - Debris in air,
rising upward, lifting, (sketched something like a popped pimple), tan,
taupe, grey, spacious, misty, (Now in S4) Tangible - 'Stuff in air' AOL BK
- Mt St Helens, (S6 move to present time) Ideograms - people, natural,
motion, water, structure. Sensories- grey-green, smooth, pale, milky,
misty, Intangibles- delicate, precious, fragile, reverence, dark blue,
water, deep, dark luminance, cold blackish, bluishblack, AOL BK - Titanic,
sharp pointed, angular, murky, taupe, AOL BK - Bismarck, Tangibles-
Structure (steel, big, strong, heavy, compressed) AOL BK - CBS on Sunken
Ship - Took a Drive Break. Resume - At significant time of structure- cold,
dark, dark greyblue, creamy, straight, flat, sheeted, walling, greygreen,
thin, wispy, misty, airy, spacious, tan, green, smooth, horizontal, tall
walling, rectangular, cornered, blunted, muted luminance, 'soupy' murky, S6
present time- Intangibles- Barren
vacated, voided, emptied, solitude, rememberance, recollections, memory,
reverence, AOL BK - Pearl Harbor - USS Arizona, S6 significant time
Emotions at the site- fast paced, jerky, responsive, excited, frightened,
alerted, D- tall, flat, airy, S- smokey, murky, T- Moving smoke, Emotions
again- serious, certain, fatalistic, direct, important, focused,
significant, Describe Motion- big, laboring, massive, hard, unstoppable,
Intangibles (Purpose of Target?)- transport, cause, travel, move, 'en
route', S6 to Just Before event - Emotions at the site- peaceful, reserved,
cautious, apprenhensive, curious, Site Sensories/Intangibles- pale blue,
pleasant, bright, white, blue, soft, peaceful, calm, placid pristine,
Tangibles- Land/Water Interface, bright luminance, S6 Timeline- Event
timing- apx 900-1002 AD. Duration- apx 50 yrs. S6 Clay - looks like a
mushroom or bell. AOL BK Space Capsule

Session Summary:
The target is a manmade structure which now represents an event of the
past. The structure is mushroom or bell shaped metallic object with a
rounded conical top. There is an additional structure which is tall
rectangular, pointed, angular, sheeted, flat and metallic.
The event included a lot of swirling, smokey, murky, misty motions which
filled the view field with varying degrees of hampered vision. There is
water at the site. The event caused caused significant changes in shapes
and forms. The event had big violent, massive, unstoppable motions. The
people who experienced it were calm and peaceful prior to event, but
suddenly became frightened and alerted. The event included a powerful
rising and uplifting force on matter.
People at present time think of site in a somber, reverant, and reflective
manner. There is a barren, voided, loss feeling about the event.
The purpose of the target was to transport, travel, move, and be 'en route'.
The timeline places event around 950 AD with a 50 year duration.
End Summary:
End Session:


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/752)

 23:06:31

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In a message dated 8/5/98 12:45:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
skyemberr@... writes:

<<
Good Point Gene.

Do you remember the target I gave you of Lincoln? I had nothing written
down... no damned little envelopes and you nailed it flat out. >>
Hello Skyemberr...glad to see Steve finally allowed you on the net..now all
hell will break loose...I now have two of my former students on the net
Steve...I have enough for a quorum...nobody can come at me now..I will sic my
students on them...hahah
BTW...For those of you that still question the issue of future RV'ing...when
Skyemberr gave me the assassination of Abraham Lincoln as a target...obviously
all she gave me was a coordinate...anyhow...I did come to what turned out to
be Ford's Theater...at the point of assassination...being a good soldier,
attempted to ward off what I perceived only as deadly danger to a good man
from an evil man...I stuck out my hand and was immediately thrown out of the
session ...I had been shot in the arm..not really naturally, but the sensation
was exactly the same...(and before anyone asks..I have been shot five times in
my life so I know what it feels like)...I could see the blood (though it was
not
there) and suffered several moments of excruciating pain until my good old
left brain woke up and told me to get a grip...This was really the first time
I had let anyone actually task me in RV for quite a while and it was sort of
strange to try out the old wheels again...
Anyhow...welcome aboard Skye...we have missed ya...
Gene...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/753)

 23:06:42

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<< virgin greeneyed Celtic
Maidens. .... >>
Huh?!?!?!?!? ... not in the Ireland that I know..hahaha
----


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/754)

 23:06:53

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<< Any first year analyst
would throw up his hands at such a willy nilly effort to teach that did not
include the administrative support. >>


Except I am not giving out diplomas or degrees...once a student has been given
a target...and I have given them their "end site" feedback...it is a finished
item...I would not normally give that student that target again so what is the
point of keeping those "ist year analyst" target books...I am not going to
attack the site...just view it for the purpose of providing my student a
training experience and a few moments of fun...no need to document that sort
of thing...Thanx for the comment however...
Gene..


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/755)

 23:07:04

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<< choosing, cueing and handling targets >>
little leery of the word cueing...you saw my target...that is all I ever
give..not many cues there...you either go to the right site or you do not...it
really is that easy...Now a good monitor (and of course as ALWAYS...you should
have a monitor EVERY TIME you RV or don't do it...simple
right...)...anyhow...the monitor may have to figure out if you are actually in
the right place at the target...stand next to Newport Beach, California and
look East...will you see anything that would cue you to the fact you are at
the beach...probably not ..unless you figure seagulls only exist at the
beach...(Ask Brigham Young about that)...therefore, if I believe in the magic
(and I do...)...when a viewer who is suppose to be at Newport Beach begins
giving me traffic, houses, streets etc..then I tell them to look over their
shoulder and face in that direction...(you can't simply tell them to "turn
around"...they may do a 360 degree and wind up exactly in the same place...or
maybe a 45 degree....still no ocean...so you need to get them to turn around
in the opposite direction..and the word "opposite" will not work
either...trust me ...that is one oc the no no words that good monitors know
never to use...it produces only confusion...The point being...without a
monitor,you are not Remote Viewing, you are joyriding...and a good monitor
knows not to normally give the same target to the same viewer a second
time...therefore ... why the need for the records...and as for cueing..trust
in the magic...the Viewer will go where they are suppose to go without clues
or cues....
Gene...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/756)

 23:07:15

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<<
what the auther mean when he say " dimensional target"

thanks Eyal >>
Eyal..Shalom...I am not "the Author"...I am Gene and prefer to be called
Gene....A dimensional target is a target which leads very strange parallel or
dimensional abberations...(strange places)...these are the words I use because
I am not as smart as Bill P and MaryD and folks like that who use all sorts of
"quantum mechanic" terms...I just use the words which describe what the viewer
is likely to find...
thanx Eyal for the question...
Gene..


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/757)

 23:07:26

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00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098

rough brown grainy hard, mound shape.
dry
seem to move in time, tropical humid, square structure, green growth.
move back to brown mound shape.
I dont know what this is or what to do. I move thru this brown, and it is
black.
Just blackness.
I seem to be moving fast, then I see something white, then its white with a
black center.
Then I am in some sort of white worm hole energy moving fast, this feels long
snakelike, coils inside. I am inside this moving fast.
Then it seems I am dumped out at or in space. Colors, nebulas all about
vibrant reds blues, whites, nebulas looking. I am moving again thru colors,
seem to come to a barrier, feels like thick gelatin, push thru this, them I am
at a bright yellow gold shape, triangle. at the top of this seems to be a
white sphere, but it is rotating send out off shoots, white little sparks or
like little stars. I go into this, this now seems like the center of
something, its white but swirling like a galaxy, fingers of stars coming out
from this.
Crazy huh....?
~T~


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Irish Maidens 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/758)

 23:07:36

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<<
I note that you are married to a beautiful Virgin American-Indian
Princess.....You had best not talk up Irish maidens to much. >>

Let me take care of the light work Liam...
Since the Irish (Celts) visited what is now the Americas long before any
romance language speaking "explorer"..by the time these errant Portuguese,
Spanish, English latecomers arrived, the Celts had met, wooed and left their
mark on the wonderful and magic people of this continent...Liam 's lovely
bride no doubt carries many of these very old Celtic genes and therefore the
attraction by an Celt warrior like Liam was a foredrawn conclusion....and like
Liam said...most of our ladies are not green-eyed, nor red-haired nor do they
have freckles...we are actually more akin to the Semitic people than we are to
Indo-Europeans...not us...we come from the mid-east my friend before the time
of Christ...long before...and therefore raven black hair and darker skin is
quite common in my homeland...as to the dichotomy of a growing population and
virginal matrilineal line...well...this is Ireland my friend...and "its an
Irish thing...you just would not understand..."...hahah...

Sorry to steal you thunder Liam...but could not resist...
Gene..


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Multiple worlds QM refs 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/759)

 23:07:50

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Bill Pendergrass wrote:

> I posted this with the wrong heading.( target site) which must have been
> confusing...so here it is again with a more appropriate heading

Geeez...Thanks Bill...one more paper to inundate me with the potential to
quote others....

This is cool. A deep Essay on Future from me is forthcoming. I have been
having some serious thought to the Future issue... and I believe many of us
have taken some obscure models for granted ... it amounts to a meme.
Besides that, we have come to muddled the ACTIVITY of the future with the
inherent NATURE of Future.

In a nutshell (for those who can stretch their cognitive functions), the
invention of the clock has made us into automaton. We have pretty much
absorb the consequences of the Industrial age to the point of obscuring our
OWN bodily internal clocks. The reality is...long ago during our Agriculture
Age we relied on CHANGES. Before then, of course, we lived for the
day...for the "catch" of the day. We looked at the Sun and the Moon
sequences to determine the events of the day. We looked at the Seasons to
determine when to harvest. But back then, people had a child-like
simplicity in that ... they lived in the NOW. This "simplicity" can be
observe in our young ones today as we watch them struggle to understand the
significance between "today," "yesterday," and "tomorrow." Eventually they
come to understand and forget this major and important mental struggle.
Although the word "tomorrow" existed and still exist in the English language
it had less than an impact back then than now in the Digital Age. The
agrarian sophistication eventually had to be established to conduct
synchronous "timely" trade agreements, therefore, an advancement into using
accurate clocks --- which imply the importance of future. Thus, when Greek
philosophers started questioning the world, without the aid of technology,
they saw a totally different scenario. To be locked in an ancient Greek
mentality would be like going from 3D to 2D. Not unlike indigenous tribes
that exist in the various forest of the world who have less of a need for
"understanding" the future and ITS events.

Anyway, to understand the future I believe we must come to understand the
anatomy of CHANGE and what it entails at a Macro Future and Micro future
level. The Greek philosopher, Heraclitus tackled the problem of CHANGE until
he eventually snapped...by concluding "We never step twice in a river."
This is a very deep insightful image.

Today we find ourselves asking "Is the Future the product of an event, or is
the event the product of the future." RV stands at its predicament in that
by most definition it is a process that non sensually "OBSERVES" distant
people, places, things and EVENTS versus the ACTIVITY of CHANGING distant
people, places, things and events under the umbrella of a Macro Future.

electrix


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Irish Maidens 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/760)

 23:08:11

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Hmmm Perhaps, Gene,

But despite what you think I am not a British agent. Pendergrass (
dervived from Prendergraft) has an Irish coat of arms...but it is not
Celtic. It was carried to Ireland by Danish Vikings in the 8-9th
century...undoubtedly attracted by stories of Celtic Maidens.


>Irish thing...you just would not understand..."...hahah...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 Theta 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/761)

 23:08:42

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Dear Michael,
I am writing email to you privately from our Stargate List.I'm
rather a lurker since I feel 'way behind on most of the information
everyone has shared.
I am very interested in your comments about Theta.
My husband has a sleep disorder I am sure you are familiar with
called sleep apnea.
A year ago he went to a sleep lab to find out what can be done for
this condition.
He was told that he does not get to the 'delta' stage in his sleep;
he will pull himself sharply back into Theta, or deeper levels of it
rather than getting to Delta. I thought this very unusual! Do you
have any ideas or comments about this?
He also has studied about the four basic levels of brain states, and
tells me there has been a recently discovered level called 'gamma'.
Have you any information about this?
I apologise for the email intrusion, but sometimes feel overwhelmed
by the list's size.
Thanks in advance....
Best wishes, Laura Fallon, MysticInsights@...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/762)

 23:09:05

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Re: [stargate] target site

...and as for cueing..trust
> in the magic...the Viewer will go where they are suppose to go without clues
> or cues....
> Gene...
> --

Yeah,

Do I need a dose of that positive mental atitude! I think maybe I
should try reading these words before each session. 

Rich MPB


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 (Fwd) Re: [stargate] target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/763)

 23:09:21

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As I am supposed to forward this to the list, here is mine and what
I sent Gene.

Peace and Joy
Dirk

=============
Hi Gene,

Well - to start - I haven't a clue what I am doing so my structure is
untrained and unlike anyone elses, but here goes...

Target:
00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098

hot
sloping
green
AI -grass
course
AI stone
smoke/mist
loud
AI wrong
brown
tender
mushy
AI mud
AOL house/dwelling
AI horses running (black or dark)
sound - thuds - pounding
sound - clank - metallic
AI fighting
AOL sword fighting
sound - horn like
AOL battle trumpet/horn
sound large loud deep thud
AOL cannon fire
AOL civil war battlefield //break//

Green:
cool/wet/damp/squeeky

Hot:
very hot/AI burning hands

Loud:
white/peace

Course:
hard/gritty/AI stone/AI slate gray

Smoke/mist:
choking/astringent/sharp/acrid/AI burning sensation/AI ear ache
and pressure/AI neck ache - sharp pain

Sloping:
sloping right moderately/AI hill

Brown:
musty/rich color/AI pain in right fingers/AI pain in upper back

Tender:
AI pain all over - intense/AOL anger

Mushy:
oozing/red/AOL blood //break//

Sound - thuds:
AOL General Lee //break//
AOL soldiers on horse back - leather saddles //break//
AOL - lots of energetics - canon fire.


At this point, I don't see a reason to continue based on your
directions. I am getting a lot of imagery which I find unusual for
me. I don't do visual imagery. I seem to have locked onto an idea
of a civil war battlefield and it keeps recurring. I have no idea if this
has something to do with the target, or whether I have just
wandered off down a primrose path. But continuing is only likely to
continue to have this dominating. And given your direction not to
return to the to target .....

Interesting anyway - thanks
Dirk




stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/764)

 23:09:43

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>Hello Skyemberr...glad to see Steve finally allowed you on the net..now all

Hi Gene,

Finally allowed? No. I just didn't realise Skyemberr wanted to join. She
mentioned it once ages ago but it slipped my mind until you reminded me
on her behalf. Welcome to the list, Sarah/Skyemberr!

>now all hell will break loose...I now have two of my former students on the net
>Steve...I have enough for a quorum...nobody can come at me now..I will sic my
>students on them...hahah

You know, if all hell breaks lose, it is easy for me to highlight three names
and
click "Unsubscribe." Just thought you'd like to know.. :)

Best regards,
Steve.



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/765)

 23:09:54

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Hi Gene,

Ok, I tried not to go back to the site, but I found myself there as I
am going to sleep. Some disturbing stuff and a heavy AOL of
Arlington National Cemetery, the Tomb of the Unknowns and the
burial grounds. AOL of a very closeup view of a face - like a
mountain lion -beiges and whites with big brown eyes. Strong EI of
danger/terror/evil associated with this image.

Strong EI's of strength, sorrow, loss, love, anger, regret, terror and
strong emotions that I know, but have no words for.

Strong AI's of pain, and things I cannot describe. I don't know the
words to put to them.

END SESSION - close

End already

Dirk


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/766)

 23:10:03

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I'll play ; - )

Target 00x/001/004/008/09

up, down, curve up, curve down, straight

slippery, wavy, fast, sticky, wet, water.

Feeling of movement, flowing, swirling, power. Small coming together
into a whole. Natural, nature, cyclic with straight flowing peaks.
Sudden drop. Hidden entrance behind.



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/767)

 23:10:14

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00X /001 /004 /008 /098

soft, fresh, dim, misty, rolling, time
crumbling, hard, fitted, irregular, grey
gaps, broken, partial, eternal
cold, chilling yet warmth and heat
sound of waves, or wind on long grass, sound of birds
timelessness, striving, proud, stirring
ridged, ringed, enclosed yet set apart
treeless, timeless
rows on rows
tall reaching for the sky
banners, embrasures, balancing, balanced
celebration, demarkation, delineation
a cup
forgotten yet remembered
blackened by accident
briary, thorny, clinging
cut and shaped with pride and love
sunlight and stars
rounded oblongs, lying on grass
seen but unseen
terrible yet awesome
fruit of man, built for eternity
forces built in of past and future
towering, passing time, a maze
an island within an island
home of a rose, blossoming

Summary: structure, not complete, ancient materials, built with a distinct
dual
purpose, a 'gateway'. Holds a secret and a mystery.
Bevy J



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/768)

 23:10:23

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<<
You know, if all hell breaks lose, it is easy for me to highlight three names
and
click "Unsubscribe." Just thought you'd like to know.. :)

Best regards,
Steve. >>
There you go acting the Saxon again...heheheh


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/769)

 23:10:31

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<<
Strong EI's of strength, sorrow, loss, love, anger, regret, terror and
strong emotions that I know, but have no words for. >>
Stop you are in an AOL drive...you are not on target..do not go back...I will
send you feedback separation...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/770)

 23:10:40

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suffered several moments of excruciating pain until my good old
>left brain woke up and told me to get a grip...>>

Yeah Gene, but you were a trooper and tried to continue with the
session.... moaning about the "bad man".. hehehehe

"This was really the first time
>I had let anyone actually task me in RV for quite a while and it was
sort of
>strange to try out the old wheels again...
>Anyhow...welcome aboard Skye...we have missed ya...
>Gene...
>----

I have missed y'all too...glad to see some faces I recognize again.
*grinz*

~Sarah



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/771)

 23:10:52

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> 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098
>
Here goes, but I'm afraid that it's not at all structured, as I haven't
had any training:

Flat, wide, horizontal but going up to right, green, brown, grey,
spacious, clear, old, depth of view.

Rock/stone, solid, natural, space underneath, sheltering, dark, alone,
unease.

Flesh, skin, leathery, sliding, slipping, motion.
Movement, white, swirling.

Got AOLs of slithery lizards :-)
Emotions confused, calm but then uneasy.
At one point I got an acrid taste in my mouth with the AOL of a volcano.

I'm sorry but I don't really know what it is, other than I get the
impression of spaciousness and age.

Thanks for the practice.

--
All the best,
Glyn


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/772)

 23:11:01

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<< 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098 >>

This is my first attempt at RV & since I haven't had any training, I'll try
not to waste too much of your time:

Uhhhh ... OK ... huh-huh! ... Uhhhh... OK ... There's this thing and it's
like uhhh ...
kinda shaped like an A-frame but flat across the top ... and uhhh .... huh-
huh! ...
I dunno ... huh-huh ... cool!
-- John Burke


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site--session results 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/773)

 23:11:12

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Here goes:

Target 00X/001/004/008/098

S2: red, brown, green, dark, open, wide, hot, flat, vertical
AOL: paratroop jump tower
noise, caughing, dry

AI: exciting

Sketch:horizontal lines depicting ground / vertical lines depicting
structure /
rectangular & circular lines at top of vertical lines depicting
platform

S4: yelling, excitement, rapid/energetic activity, dragging, lifting,
high, massive,
spindley, metallic, grey, smooth

SKETCH: irregular oval with smaller oval inside at upper (to top of
page)
center edge. vertical lines above and below larger oval.

round, square, hot, dusty

Summary: Large flat open terrain with tall structure (not solid).
Structure not
for habitation. Moveable or with moving parts. Rises symetrically and
has platform
or enclosed area or device on top larger than vertical section. Energy
and activity,
excitment, urgency/determination .





I'm sure that is full of descriptions and labels but how do you avoid
that?

Rich


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/774)

 23:11:20

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Can I make a suggestion that when someone puts a coordinate for viewer
practice on the stargate or other list, that the viewers email their
session privately to the tasker? I was planning to do this target but got
too frontloaded by the other session summaries that were sent via the
list. Got another one, Gene, that we can do without so much frontloading?

Kind regards
Angela


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/775)

 23:11:31

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Re: [stargate] target site feedback

Hi Angela, Could I suggest a compromise. Just have them put in the
subject of their message "target description" or some such. I'm just
beginning RV practice and reading the different appraches is quite
educational. I'd hate to have them completely deleted. Also, that way I
can make sure Gene doesn't play favorites. Easy big guy just
kiddin'......

Bill


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/776)

 23:11:42

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Sounds good to me.

Bill Pendergrass wrote:
>
> Hi Angela, Could I suggest a compromise. Just have them put in the
> subject of their message "target description" or some such. I'm just


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 Feedback... 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/778)

 23:11:55

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OK...to all of you who submitted your reports...many of whom I sent personal
feedback reports back...I stopped sending feedbacks to reports which came
after some fo the reports starting appearing on the Makelist...Interesting
exercise...Thanx for the response....for those of you who did not
respond...now wouldn't you like to know what the target was?.....Well you
won't get it from me...sorry...that would be unethical and would provide the
viewers with a method of actually getting the target by simply jumping a
little bit ahead in time yesterday to today when the feedback would have been
posted...Nope..I never make it easy on a Viewer...that is why my students call
me Ghengis Gene the Monitor from Hell...
If you want to ask any of the respondents...please feel free...
Gene...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/779)

 23:12:04

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<< I was planning to do this target but got
too frontloaded by the other session summaries that were sent via the
list. Got another one, Gene, that we can do without so much frontloading?
>>
The idea was that everyone would respond at the same time..then everyone would
be able to see everyone's else's responses and while they are all waiting
patiently, I would provide feedback to each person
separately..privately...then come back and tell everyone what the target
actually was...it did not work...Oh well...Let me think about whether I want
to do another one or not....
Gene......


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 New Target Practice Group 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/780)

 23:12:15

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Hi All:

Judging by the fact that the last 30-40 posts were all basically
session summaries or discussion of Gene's target, which thanks
to Gene, we're never know what it was (thanks Gene! ;-), I guess
there is a need for what I am announcing here now: The RV Target
Practice List.

To join, send a blank email to targets-subscribe@....
Topics? For posting of Target Practice coordinates, session
summaries, and feedback - ONLY.

I look forward to seeing some of you there!

Everyone is encouraged to join, post their own targets, etc!

The purpose of this list? To give target practice it's own list
(encouraging people to post their own targets etc), and to help
keep the Star Gate list free of regular bombardments of session
summaries as we've seen in the last couple of days.

Hope to see you there!

Best regards,
Steve.


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 Feedback... 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/781)

 23:12:39

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Susan..I am not picking on you dear...but I want to single your report out for
the rest of the audience here...first off...congratulations...you nailed
it...Now I bet you are scratching your head and asking what it was you nailed
because you still have no idea where you were or what you were "seeing"...WELL
OF COURSE YOU DON"T...that is the secret behind RV...the viewer..when they
really are on target and really in the altered state...have no clue what it is
they are viewing...that is the responsbility of the Monitor...and don't start
with me on this one again guys and gals...I will not respond...

Now moving back to Susan's report here...(keep that puzzled look on your face
Susan...this will get worse as we go...)

Subj: Re: [stargate] target site response
Date: 8/6/98 8:21:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: obe@... (Susan Taylor)
Reply-to: stargate@...
To: stargate@...

Curran2106@... wrote:

> OK...if that is the way you want to play...
> This will be another dimensional target...have fun....
>
> 00X / 001 / 004 / 008 / 098

There is a first time for most things...some of them we never remember and
some we remember forever. No paratrooper ever remembers their first
jump...all lovers remember their first "time"...It all depends and which area
of the brain the excitement wound up being stored...In the case of this
target...the excitement was there but it was from a site that is so
spectacular and so mysterious that we stupid humans cannot really even fathom
the concepts.....and yes, I am going to keep you all waiting even longer as I
go on here...

This is my first attempt at this--please be tolerant. - I have no tolerance
for stupidity but can wait for an eternity for a viewer to find their way...

"Window, opening, hole...filled with static, grainy, dots,..black,white,
gray...crawling, swarming, moving, energetic...vast, compressed...circle,
cone,
dot...cold, quiet "-
EVERYONE!!!!...look...does anyone see anything here which has been labelled or
named?...Nope...nothing here but rich, vibrant descriptions drawn from the
illogical right side brain....I have to tell you that I have given this target
to others and in fact Aquaserene loves this place so much she visits it like
most people go to the gym for a workout...This is as good as it gets in terms
of describing this place...

I have know idea what any of this represents - (Of course you don't, if you
did, the session would have been a flop...) My best dumb guess would be a TV
screen tuned in to a channel that had gone off the air for the night. -
Hahahahah...wow...that is beautiful...splendiferous...what a description of
what you saw.....
It was fun, however. - I'll bet!!!!!

Susan
OK....you will now have to go to the next posting to get the actual target...
sorry for the melodrama...but do not want to put feedback and results on same
page...makes it too easy for the viewer...its complicated..has to do with
future viewing and I do not want to get that one started again...
Gene...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/782)

 23:12:54

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>The idea was that everyone would respond at the same time..then everyone would
>be able to see everyone's else's responses and while they are all waiting
>patiently, I would provide feedback to each person
>separately..privately...then come back and tell everyone what the target
>actually was...it did not work...Oh well...Let me think about whether I want
>to do another one or not....

Hi Gene,

I believe I may have just created the solution! :) Since the new Target
Practice list (see last mail) is going to be moderated (for many good
reasons), what you are looking for would, I believe, be possible.

It would be possible, for example, for targets to be assigned on one day
(for example, Mondays), and I would keep any session summaries that
are submitted to the list until a set day, for example Thursdays, and
allow all to be posted on that day - at the same time. That way,
people could avoid frontloading or reading other's data etc until
Thursday quite safely.

Also, if a separate list is created, it will be much easier to
moderate it specifically with dishing out targets in mind. And
since that will be it's sole reason, targets could be assigned
fairly regularly by many people, without fear of bogging down
the Star Gate list.

I hope you'll be interested enough to sign up for the new list, and
that all those who'd like to take part in future targets will come
too. That would seem to solve most of these problems. And
you could post as many targets as you liked! People who post
targets are welcome to include in their post what days they would
like to see the session summaries posted etc, and I will arrange
that.

Hope to see you there!

Best regards,
Steve.


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 Feedback... 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/783)

 23:13:02

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OK guys and gals...I have asked Susan if I can release her report and my
feedback...it is afterall, her report...if she releases it or says I can...I
will tell you all at one time what the target was...ain't I mean?????
Gene....


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/784)

 23:13:14

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<<
Hope to see you there!

Best regards,
Steve. >>
BTW..forgot to mention it..but lots of folks who sent in their findings did
get personal and private feedback reports from me including what the target
actually was...if any of them want to release my feedback reports..they are
also at liberty to do so...(and you know who you are!!!!!!)
Gene...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/785)

 23:13:29

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<<
Hope to see you there!

Best regards,
Steve. >>
Steve..thanx for the offer...but like I have always said...I am not a
viewer...I am a monitor...and would be of little use to you on the list...I
will just continue to watch...I just wanted to liven things up...guess I
did...and btw..if Susan says I can release the target data, I will...but only
if she says so...
gene...


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/786)

 23:13:42

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>will just continue to watch...I just wanted to liven things up...guess I
>did...and btw..if Susan says I can release the target data, I will...but
only
>if she says so...

Hi Gene,

I thought you might like the idea of a Target Practice list. I think you'd be
at home there somehow :) Every week, twice a week, once every two weeks,
whatever, you could give out a new target for people to view. You did a good
job of that here. It was interesting to watch.
It's just that it seems like you'd like target practice to be a regular
thing.
There's been at least two or three on this list. There's clearly an
interest in it. So much so, that everyone stopped to watch. There's
nothing wrong with that, only that 10 or more people want to post their
sessions, and my worry is that it might have the effect of sidelining
other discussions.

But that is not to say that target practice is not important or does
not have it's place. I have already gone ahead and created the
Target Practice list now. The list would be ideally suited to doing
what you do here with posting targets etc, and you could post targets
etc, along with perhaps a few others out there who might like to do the
same, without worrying about it affecting rv/psi discussion on the Star
Gate list.

There's room for both. What I'm really saying, is that I'd like there to
be a choice given to people. I think separating target practice onto
a separate list would help target practice pick up, because targets
could be posted more often or more of them than if they were done
here, but at the same time, the Star Gate list would not be affected
by the target practice, since it would be on a different list. Does
that make sense?

I think the Star Gate list can only cope with a certain amount of
target practice before other conversation must be sidelined. I
also think target practice would work better on a moderated
list, because the timing of posts could be *scheduled*, i.e.
target coordinates on Monday, sessions on Wednesday,
feedback on Friday. That can't be done without a moderated
list, and I still have no desire to make Star Gate a moderated
list.

Anyway, you'd be welcome on the new list!

Best regards,
Steve.





stargate : Message: [stargate]
 Permission Granted... 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/787)

 23:13:53

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OK ... Folks...Susan gave me permission to send my private feedback to her to
the rest of you...enjoy...
Gene...


SUSAN...
WOW..great job...you followed the rules even if you did not know the
protocols and as a result..you nailed this one darlin....nailed it...

In the Andromeda Cluster...several billion miles from here...there is an
example of one of the most wonderfully powerful phenomena known in the
universe...the Black Hole. This particular Black Hole is known as Cygnus
181...It is speculated that if an object were to be tossed into a Black Hole
it would be disrupted so badly right on down to the quantum levels, that it
would vanish only to reappear on a parallel or other dimension. The target
was Cygnus 181 and you most definitely got there and witnessed the power and
might of this site...right on down to the TV turned off...a beautiful
description of how it must be to look into a blank TV and know it leads
somewhere....deep back inside...but now nothing can come out..not even
light...and that is one of the great mysteries of the Black Hole...the
attraction is so great that not even light can escape...Great stuff
Susan...keep working with RV..you are a natural....
Gene Kincaid...

BTW...I am sending CCs of this to three of my closest associates in
RV...Aguaserene and Skyemberr were two of my students who now act in an
advisory and consultant capacity...and Liam was one of my teachers and a
special guardian angel for me....

Oh, yes...another thing...can I release this report to the Stargate
list....?..It is, afterall you "first time" and you may want to keep it
private...
Gene... .


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/788)

 23:14:01

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Bravo Steve for the new target list! One where we can see the answers
and compare techniques. If people want to be anonomous they can use a
code name, but I think its really going to be valuable to compare the
various raw RV analyses with the results.

One for the Saxon!

Bill


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/789)

 23:14:09

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Steve,

Your solution sounds like a really good one. I like it.

Peace
Dirk



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 BLACK HOLE. 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/790)

 23:14:18

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I assume that when RVers enter a black hole they can come back?

Curious in SEattle


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 (Fwd) Feedback... 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/791)

 23:14:28

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Ok folks,

Gene offered for us to post our feedback if we care to, so here's
mine. I think as Gene suggested that I touched it, but flashed off
and flopped so .... here you go.

Dirk



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/792)

 23:14:44

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Hi Bevy, I just looked at your try on this target. You actually did
pretty good! Just AOL ed out at the end but LOOK:


>Subject: Re: [stargate] target site
>
> 00X /001 /004 /008 /098
>
> soft, fresh,

dim, MISTY,ROLLING TIME
> crumbling, hard, fitted, irregular, grey
> gaps, broken, partial,

eternal
>
cold,

chilling yet warmth and heat ( PERFECT FOR A BLACK HOLE!)



stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 BLACK HOLE. 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/793)

 23:15:01

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<< I assume that when RVers enter a black hole they can come back?
Curious in SEattle >>


Dear Seattle.....
Well, I would assume the all RVers return from black holes as I have spent
literally hours playing/exploring in it, trying to comprehend it.
The first time I viewed the hole, I watched it at the point of virgin birth.
The explosion-implosion was enough to fry you to dust then fry your dust
again,
then nothing but beautiful, beautiful serene peaceful blackness.
(I could say take your breath away but I dont think I had any :-)
In exploring the hole I have found an area resembling a vortex, you go in this
let loose (all your considerations-beliefs) hang on for the ride of your life.
Tumbling rolling twirling, your molecular makeup scattered, somewhere, till it
is done with you or you with it, and there you "be" with not a clue as to
where you are, totally disoriented, no up or down in or out, big or small.
Pretty much back to you native essence state.
The balck hole is one of my favorite energies to feel, and I love to feel, and
this place feels sooooo very fine. Try it sometime... :-)
~T~


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 New Target Practice Group 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/794)

 23:15:14

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THANKS STEVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/795)

 23:15:26

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its very good that we doing targets on the list its intresting and we can
learn from it

Eyal


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site feedback 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/796)

 23:15:35

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gene

a monitor will be valubale in the new target list
Eyal


stargate : Message: [stargate]
 gene??? 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/797)

 23:15:42

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hi gene

i dont understand people that send you results wont be getting feedback for
what the target was?

Eyal




stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/798)

 23:15:56

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Re: Target # 00X/001/004/008/098

Sorry to procrastinate on this target. here is my abbreviated TRV session;

Gestalts; man made structure

Stage 2
Colors; white, green, brown, reflective, metallic
Textures; hard, semi-hard,
Smells; acrid
Tastes; bitter
Temperature; hot, ambient
Sounds; loud, crackling, buzzing
Dimensions; long, wide, narrow, oval, enclosed, square, inside, outside
Aesthetic Impact; familiar
Analytical Overlay; electricity (contemporaneous with S2 sounds)
Analysis; A lighthouse, traffic light


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 target site 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/799)

 23:16:06

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Thanx Bill for doing my analysis...in the future, I will send all of the
reports MY viewers do to you just to make sure they pass you approval...
Gene..


stargate : Message: Re: [stargate]
 BLACK HOLE. 
(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/stargate/message/800)

 23:16:19

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<<
I assume that when RVers enter a black hole they can come back?

Curious in SEattle
>>
Call roll call...ask them if they are all back home?